Arek'Jaalan Mailing List W26: Ancient Races Update

From	Myyona
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.01 10:54
Content	Happy New Year and welcome to YC114 everybody. Things are still heating up in the Ancient Races division as we are still getting more projects started, such as Project Codebreaker that Valerie has announced. Personally, I have just finished first draft of the paper on The Sleeper - Jovian Connection which is a massive piece were I put together all the little pieces of clues obtained so far on the Sleepers, Talocans, Jovians and even Yan Jungs into what I see as the most fitting theory on what happened millenia ago. I recommend everybody to give it a read and leave comments on the Discussion page. Work is not done though, and I look forward to what we will uncover in the coming year. Best regards Myyona

From	Myyona
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.01 10:56
Content	Should have been update #8, sorry. How fast these things go these days. -M

From	Wyke Mossari
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.01 13:12
Content	Regarding: The Yan Jung Nation Sebast Mathon is able to "unravel the mysteries of the (Yan Jung) micro processor" using a "Binary Transpositional Code" This strongly implies the Yan Jung used binary computers. The evidence of Trinary Data and the Trinary Hub implies fundamental different approach to data processing for the Jove and Sleepers. Wyke

From	Ander Fred
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.01 13:59
Content	You start off with the assumption that the Jove and Sleepers are the same and never actually explain the assumption. Frankly, though an interesting piece of work, this doesn't amount to anything. There is little to no evidence that the Sleepers destroyed the Talocan. Indeed, the Talocan remains mechanically intact. Nor does it explain quarantine, the legends found in Ani, along with many other facets. I am unable to agree with just about anything in there, as it is all based on the assumption from one piece of trinary data, so far as I can tell. Please note, the fact that the Minmatar and Amarr empires both use the same method of FTL communication does not make the Amarr a splinter of the Minmatar, nor the Minmatar a splinter of the Amarr. Extrapolating from one piece of shared tech is just a bad idea.

From	Myyona
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.02 21:13
Content	Show me evidence to the contrary and I will be happy. I do not base my theory on the findings of the Trinary data, in fact that piece of information is not even in this article at all. I base my theory as, what I consider, the most probable explaination to all the questions it answers given the current sources available. You (anyone) are welcome to disagree completely based on no validity of your own. This is just a theory, and it is its nature to be partly or completely wrong. All the pieces of the puzzle available can be used to create more than one image, but when the question comes to what theory I can present that I feel explains the most this is the one. By the way, FTL communications? Pft, everybody knows that was invented by the Gallenteans and the only reason why the similarity in transfer protocols and technology is because CONCORD enforce it. ((link)) Regards Myyona

From	Ser Geant Pepper
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.03 01:58
Content	Myyona, Thank you very much for all of the time you spent on your excellent paper on Sleepers and Jovians. It is very well researched and contains an excellent list of references. It will be an invaluable source of information for new members of Arek'jaalan like me. I learned a lot from it. Kind regards, Ser Geant Pepper

From	Aedeal
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.03 14:14
Content	CONCORD doesn't enforce the use, it enforces the privacy. But the point is still intact anyway. And you skip on so many important points, evacuation, the Jovian disease not being infectious, there's nothing to link the Sleepers to asking the Jan Yung for help, there's nothing linking the Jovian disease to the downfall of other races. To me, it's got a lot of stuff missing. I'll concede it's a good stab at it, but it just assumes too much. It's not so much 'evidence to the contrary', it's 'evidence to support'. The problem I have is often it makes sense in my head, but I keep assumptions I made without explaining them. That may be the issue here. Afterthought: We know the FTL we use was invented by the Gallente, but I bet you the ancient races have their own FTL communications. Again, beside the point, but a nod towards the Trinary data project, the use of a similar piece of tech doesn't mean they are the same.

From	Eradan Risalo
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.03 16:04
Content	The topic is very interesting. I have read Myyona project, etc etc. All the assumptions are very intriguing. Nonetheless my point here is ; Please dont use single quote ' in your emails. This would ease the readings. Thanks, and you all are doing a great job!

From	Vechtor
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.04 00:33
Content	Our starting research in the Talocan History and Talocan Technology being conducted at a Class 5 Anoikis system currently works with the "most probable" assumption that Sleepers and Talocans actually lived together at the same time on several areas of uncharted space and didn't have any reasons to fight eachother. There is no evidence whatsoever that a fight ever took place between Sleepers and Talocans based on all data gathered so far by inumerous people once involved in Talocan research and we coudn't find anything different than that. Based on what I've read on your theory you give the impression that a "conflict" took place between them that was connected to the Sleepers trying to find a cure for the Jovian Disease: "It is difficult to know if the Talocans still existed as a society when the Sleepers showed up, but it is certain that if they did the Sleepers eventually destroyed the Talocan civilization in the attempt to fix their own corrupted DNA. " Do you think you can elaborate more on those assumptions? Thanks, Vechtor

From	Borascus
Subject	Ancient Races Update #8
Date	114.01.04 02:55
Content	Whilst travelling through Barkrik, to encounter the story of the Thukker's in Hek; that discussed the Digital Upload society we now refer to as Sleepers, I encountered a small hub, the location of Akraun Maertigor, with a NeoCom description as follows: Before the technology for employing crystals for faster-than-light communications was invented various other techniques were used to bolster celestial communications. Half a millennia ago the Amarrians discovered a space phenomenon, places in space that seemed to echo with other similar places elsewhere. They learnt to tap into these echoes, greatly boosting the strength of communication devices. Though these places are today largely neglected, there are some people that feel a connection them. The Hyperbole Nexus is one such a place. The description does infer that FTL communications were present prior to the crystals now used. The echo-tapping technique, would for me, rely on the Yan Jung Singularity Fact Sheet. Hence a proposed relationship between Yan Jung and Sleeper races. Although I do not posit that the Amarrians learnt from either. Of note: The two doctors that are cited as finding comparable relics of Titan pre-cursors, (finding one on Matar and the other in W-Space) draw conclusions that the time apart for each relic's age is approximately 1000 years. In this instance, when comapared with Project Compass' initial findings: While the Project Leads are still collecting data, preliminary calculations are ongoing and some tentative conclusions can be announced. So far, . This cluster is roughly located to the galactic southeast of New Eden, in approximately the same plane, though perhaps slightly lower than New Eden. More results will be announced as they become available. It would become feasible to evaluate the travel time of the ships, and at 1250-1350 light years from the Center of New Eden, the ships would either have to: A. Use Wormholes to achieve their target destination. Perhaps artificial w'holes if you consider the other Yan Jung relics. B. Travel at close to the speed of light for the duration. Although it can be proven that Warp drives were built prior to the original migration from the EVE Gate, it is also apparent that the technology to do so left New Eden's cultural and technological identity soon after the EVE Gate's collapse. Two conclusions inter-twined would lead to that time being: Around the Late Yan Jung era. C. Be part of the original migration from the EVE Gate and not have a definate travel time at all. Relying on technology already present from pre-EVE Ancestry. I intended to assist Myyona with this subject although I lacked the time to discuss properly. The above is about as far as I got, which is nowhere near as detailed as Myyona's findings. On a more technical note: The axial measurements carried out by the Doctor's indicated that no modern dreadnought could compare: The average Dreadnought axial length is 4km, with one exception at 5km. The Jovian Motherships are cited in historical text as being 4km in axial length and pre-cursing modern day Titan's, If anything the vessels the Doctor's are referring to have the capacity to hold more cryogenically frozen people than the Jovian motherships. The piece found on Matar pre-dates the unification of the Tribes, BUT not the colonization of Matar. This had me searching for a common ancestral link between some Minmatar tribes and the owners of the vessel these parts belong to. Although I had been spending to much time looking at the Nefantar to elaborate across the board I have yet to find a credible witness/reference/citation for any link. The Nefantar hypothesis, although not a bona fide Project, is based on the design similarity of the Sleeper Enclaves and Constructs and the old Nefantar Bases in Ammatar space. It's not yielding any insight. Borascus